An interview with David Casey: Willie Mullins’s secrets to success lie in the local pub, he is the Sir Alex Ferguson of our sport and happens to be a massive Man Utd fan, plus his son Patrick will eventually take over at the yard
Speaking to Kentucky Derby Betting Sites, Willie Mullins’ assistant trainer David Casey has explained what makes his boss tick after yet another hugely successful season for the Closutton maestro ahead of the Punchestown Festival this week.
Powerhouse trainer Mullins secured a historic British and Irish Champion Trainers’ title this season – the first to achieve the feat in 70 years since legendary trainer Vincent O’Brien – and bagged nine winners at this year’s Cheltenham Festival as well as landing the Grand National at Aintree with I Am Maximus.
Casey works closely alongside Mullins every day and has revealed the secrets behind the yard’s successes this season, which includes the trainer heading to the pub twice a week to put the world to rights, how he juggles having 200 horses at his yard at any one time and the one race Mullins has yet to win that he is desperate to land.
Willie Mullins’ assistant trainer David Casey and daughter 2 year old Grace meet Chartopper at Closutton Stables
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Willie Mullins winning the British trainers championship is a phenomenal achievement
“In November the yard had had just one win in 12 starts in Britain. The fact it hadn’t been done for 70 years since Vincent O’Brien tells you how hard it is and what a phenomenal achievement it was.
“Testament to the man and the fella that he is. It’s hard to think there’s ever been a more dominant jumps trainer.”
“He set the standard, probably the greatest trainer of all time. To do what he did when he did it was remarkable. To be able to replicate that is magnificent.”
He can match it next year – but we won’t lose sight of Ireland as a priority
“He can. But I am not sure he will set out to do it. It’ll be a little bit like this year and see how the season is going. You have a look where you are maybe after Cheltenham and how Ireland is going. I think we would concentrate at home first, and not lose sight of that. Who knows after that.
“It can make it a little bit busy. But it depends on the type of horses you have and if you have them for the races. It makes it easier obviously if you do.”
We had a few drinks in celebration with Ruby Walsh – but it wasn’t too wild
“We had a few drinks at the races myself, Ruby [Walsh] and a friend of ours. I got back pretty early flying back from Heathrow because I was riding out on Sunday morning and we had declarations for Punchestown on Tuesday.
“I couldn’t be too wild as I had to be on the ball this morning. Willie was pretty much on the ball too. I don’t know how late he stayed or where he went. He was alive pretty early on Sunday morning.”
Mullins does everything by eye – since the day I walked in, he has tried to improve every aspect
“He does everything by the eye. He trains from the eye but not necessarily what you think they need to do. He might do something different with every horse.
“Since the day I walked into the place he has tried to improve the facilities and what does.
“He never ever stops learning and looking for the smallest thing that maybe will improve the quality of the horses and the yard. To where he came from to where he is now you can see that.
“He will go on for a good few years yet, as long as he wants to. At the moment he has the same enthusiasm as he did when I first walked into the place. Until that wanes why not keep going?”
Mullins likes to head to the local pub to put the world to rights a couple of times a week
“He plays golf maybe once a year. He would watch a good bit of sport. He used to play rugby. He likes to be around the horses and around the yard most of the time. He goes down to the local the Lord Bagnall a couple of evenings a week with his pals. Friends who he’s had for many years and have a craic and solve the problems of the world.
Mullins is a massive Man Utd fan – he often ribs me about the football and I wasn’t expecting Jurgen Klopp to leave Liverpool
“Willie ribs me about football. He is a Manchester United fan and I’m a massive Liverpool fan. I would be bordering on fanatical. It’s a bit worrying really!”
“I wasn’t expecting it. I am actually going to the Wolves game, the last of the season. I booked the tickets before he announced he was going. There I was thinking they might have been worth a few quid but now they’re worth nothing!
“Arne Slot from Feyenoord is taking over. I don’t know a whole lot about him, but you have to trust the people that are there. They made the right choice in Klopp and in picking players. They haven’t done too badly of late so you have got to trust them to make the right decision again.”
“From the age of four was where my Liverpool obsession began. I come from a big soccer family. My father used to manage the League of Ireland side Waterford United. My uncles played for Waterford.
“I remember watching Liverpool when I was a boy and seeing Kenny Dalglish and my father told me Kenny was the greatest player he had ever seen. From there on I kept watching them every week.
“I told Kenny that one night and relayed the story to him. It would be good if Liverpool could enjoy some of the Willie stardust now.”
Willie often gets dragged away by his wife for a few days to relax in the off-season
“More so now than he used to. Jackie his wife does drag him away for a couple of days maybe after a big Festival like Cheltenham. In the summer he goes away for a week or so, maybe to France or Italy. Jackie likes to de-stress him for a couple of days.”
The core team has been with him for a long time – we know how he likes things done and we just get on with it
“I think so. We are all there for a fairly long time. I started with Willie 30 years ago. Dick Dowling, the head lad, has been there at least 20 years. The core team has been there a long time, they know the routine. They know the way he thinks as much as anyone can know what goes on in his head! We know how he likes the yard run and we just get on with it.”
Patrick Mullins will take over the training at some stage – but he might need his own facilities rather than using Willie’s
“I imagine Patrick will train at some stage. I don’t know exactly when. He already has a fairly big input into five or six horses in the yard at the moment, dealing with the owners.
“Patrick will eventually take over but when that will be who knows. He might have to take a barn of his own first depending on how long Willie carries on.”
“It was tough for him to lose his mother, Maureen. She was a great woman to be around and loved going racing, especially Cheltenham. She is dearly missed.”
We are running plenty at Punchestown – we are hoping for a very good week
“We will run plenty. The fact that we were going for the English championship means certain horses won’t pitch up this week. And some will be running again after being to Aintree which is not ideal.
“We still have the core, Galopins Des Champs, State Man, Ballyburn, Gaelic Warrior, they are all primed and ready to go. They are all in good order. We are hoping for another good week.”
Ballyburn was spectacular at Cheltenham – but we have plenty of others we can’t wait to see at Punchestown
“Ballyburn. We love him. Willie compared him to Faugheen after Cheltenham. We thought he was pretty good before the Festival and we would have been very disappointed if he didn’t win at Cheltenham.
“But to do what he did on the day looked pretty spectacular. So we’re looking forward to him and Gaelic Warrior was awesome in the Arkle.
“And Galopin des Champs got beat last year in the Gold Cup at Punchestown by Fastorslow who will be coming into this a bit fresher. It will be tough to beat them.
“But it would be great to win the three Gold Cups (Leopardstown, Cheltenham and Punchestown) in one year. That would be a special performance.
“Lossiemouth in the Mares’ Champion Hurdle. I saw her working on Saturday and she is in top order. She is a great mare. She has really strengthened up and improved from her juvenile campaign. Hopefully she’ll put in a great performance on Saturday.
“Then there’s State Man. Ruby rode him the other day and said he was in great order so hopefully he can emulate his Cheltenham performance. He does like Punchestown.”
It is a Festival we love and we can’t wait to get going
You would hope so. But they’re all coming back from Cheltenham and it is the end of their season. So some of them won’t turn up as good as they have been, but at the moment at home they all seem fine.
“It is a Festival that we really love and looking at the declarations for instance for Tuesday it looks like really competitive racing. We can’t wait to get going.”
We are fighting for Paul Townend to win the jockeys title – he has had a phenomenal season
“We are fighting on all fronts for him. He’s even behind as of the start of the week. So, I think it will be tough for Paul. Jack is a brilliant rider and has had a phenomenal season as well.
“I can almost guarantee five or six winners for Paul but Jack has at least a couple of good things as well. We will do our best for Paul. He will have to be on his A game to do it.”
I do a bit of everything – I am not simply an assistant trainer
“I am called the assistant trainer. But I do a bit of everything. I still ride out, I school the horses and ride to work most days. I do most of the entries with Willie and the declarations.
“Sometimes you have to be a bit of a Boutros Boutros-Ghali, the former United Nations secretary general, to keep the peace in the yard and keep an eye on the staff and make sure they are okay.
“If you notice people are having a bit of a problem, you offer your support to make sure the yard is happy.
“I deal with owners at really busy times who are looking for plans for their horses. It is a broad sweep of things.”
“We do our best to juggle the big owners and to keep everyone happy. Obviously, some horses have to run against each other. When you get to that point you tell them that it’s the best horse that wins.
“It is not easy sometimes but they seem to enjoy the experience and stay with us. We try to accommodate everyone as much as we can.
“There are 200 horses on site at all stages and maybe 60 staff with 45 people riding out on any given morning.”
Melbourne Cup is very much on the agenda again for November
“Very much so. At this stage Vauban and Absurde will go back down and have another go. Absurde ran very well while Vauban was a little bit disappointing.
“We will gear his season to Melbourne this year. Last year he came off a jumping campaign. We’ve freshened him up and given him a break since Melbourne and we’ll maybe stick to a Flat campaign this year.
“He is a horse that definitely has the ability to be competitive in the race. We made a decision to ride him the way we did but it was probably the wrong one on the day. Hopefully we will learn from it and not make the same mistakes again.”
“We have been placed a few times and hopefully we will get the right horse to go down there and do it someday. I imagine it is nagging at him now as we have got so close. Max Dynamite was only beaten a neck by Prince of Penzance in 2015. We have also had a fourth and a fifth.”
Willie Mullins is the Sir Alex Ferguson of our sport – but it is harder for him to be recognised as racing doesn’t have a high enough profile
“Maybe it is more like Sir Alex Ferguson. I think Willie should be recognised as one of the greats in sport. Maybe because of the sport we are in it is harder to be.
“But I can’t understand why Willie’s achievements haven’t been more widely appreciated. It will be interesting to see after this season whether he is recognised in the big sports awards of the year as one of the top managers. It would be disappointing if he wasn’t.
“Racing might not have a high enough profile in some people’s eyes.”
Patrick’s first Cheltenham winner is probably Willie’s most memorable win
“His first winner, first Cheltenham, maybe Florida Pearl the first flag bearer. But it would be difficult to look beyond Patrick winning the bumper on Cousin Vinnie. That was Patrick’s first Cheltenham winner. To see your son do that is special.”
The Irish Gambling Bill has to be a concern for racing – it will have a negative impact
It has to be in one way. If they can’t put gambling ads on the television and the two racing channels are threatening not to show Irish racing because it doesn’t suit their market, then you can’t show off your product would be hugely concerning and impact betting and then prize money.
On the other hand if people can’t watch racing on the television, maybe they will attend more.
But broadly it would have a negative impact.
The young people seems to have a real interest in racing – it is important to keep them coming back
“What they do well in Ireland is the student days. A lot of people would say they are an excuse for a p*** up.
“But I saw a huge amount of young people on Irish Grand National day at Fairyhouse. They were drinking but most came out of the bars and watched every race. The young people did seem to have a real interest which is so important for the next generation that they keep coming back.”
